The BIG plan ...all written down

The BIG plan ...all written down

A Chapter by stranger-n-life
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Important enough to read it for yourself in your own bible ?

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The BIG plan of God in your bible , for 'hitch-hikers' ....

To understand 'fire' one might start with baptism of fire as promised to all who believe Jesus :-

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Unlike these saints ,modern churches do not like to speak of baptism of fire because it is the severe trial of the faith of saints :-

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

The symbolism comes from the OT word of God to his prophets:-

Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

It is no accident that churches who scare their people with tales of endless fire do not tell the that they will not see Jesus until they are baptised with the same 'fire' ... it is just the trial of saints , and of course most cannot be saints in this life , only few find the strait narrow way, countless amny are afterward saved though [Rev 7:9-10] despite that we know the many go the broad way through destruction [of this world, death and destruction of the body, but the spirit can be saved later] :-

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

there we have it then, the saints of this world, and countless many others survive 'fire' , the trial of their faith ...

What then of those who refuse the truth by baptism of the spirit which comes eventually to all [Joel 2:28] so all come to know all truth of God and understand the future [John 16:13] ?

They die a second death as wages of continued sin after being freed from sin by their first death and resurrected to the kingdom of God in the new earth ... but death is just a 'sleep' as Jesus pointed out, hell cannot hold the dead after the second death any more than it could after the first death :-
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

We know that those who die a second death are resurrected because death is denied them , one cannot deny death to those still dead except by resurrecting them to life :-

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Those who rejected in their minds the truth by baptism of the spirit shall seek death and be denied it ... they cannot seek death or be tormentsed unless they are resurrected to life in the 'lake of fire'

We know too that they are flesh after resurrection , just as Jesus took trouble to show us is the result of resurrection :-

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

The second death is a mortal death then and the suffering of trial in the 'lake of fire' is of resurrected physical bodies denied a further death , no third death ...

So what has God achieved by the time of this third [last] part of the trial [baptism of fire] of all mankind , now all have been baptised of the spirit?

God has achieved much ! He has set up a perfect priesthood of saints ruling as kings and ministering as perfectly as Jesus who have ministered in the redemption of countless many by works in the righteous new earth kingdom of God [Rev 7:9-10, Rev 20:13]] :-
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

So the 'lake of fire' is just the final trial of mankind, of the most evil , those who reject the truth of god in baptism of the spirit and still follow Satan...

God's only action is to have separated them both from those whom they preyed upon so easily in this world and from those countless many who went the broad way and who are saints redeemed at judgment day for works in the kingdom of God ...

They are denied death and have to live preying on those who prey back just as well as they, to follow Satan's way of deceit when everyone there sees through it because God has revealed the truth ... it is a terrible trial because it is focused evil , but it is poetic justice that the evil suffer their own evil at last ... it is unsurprising that they repent when it is made personal and up front that they don't benefit from evil, but just suffer continually by it ... Satan loses his followers rather quickly because God has set up the means to convince even those who will not take His word for it in spirit baptism ...

there we have it then the perfect solution to all evil in just three phases of God's plan, two earths for physical existence, and three heavens because the third heaven needs no earth, no physical life, just immortal spirit.

the lake of fire is thus just the final trial by God of mortal man, where satan is stripped of his followers by his own rules being rejected... God proves as gently, lovingly as possible that His 'prodigal son' is no god having had to have him mortally slain twice in the long process of humbling him to accept and confess Jesus as lord :-

Ezekiel 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Thus the scripture does not say in vain that God's mercy endures for all time , to the whole age of all the ages, the three phases of god's declared plan given from the beginning ,about the end ...

1 Chronicles 16:34 O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.

Do not believe the religionists who claim God's mercy ends in this world , Jesus himself proves that the many are saved , not just the few who go the narrow way in this life.

Remember that NONE escapes trial, baptism of fire , but that all are NOT tried at the same time in the scriptural plan of God ... understand what 'fire' is from scripture , just the precious trial that ensures faith in love is REAL, not feigned or just in words ... sin is ANY unlovingness and Jesus ciommands love from all eventually :-

Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

The lake of fire then is just the final baptism of fire for those hardest to convince that God is right, that perfect love , ceasing all sinning is the only way to be accepted into immortal spirit by God.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

[Rich men's] religion thus has it wrong by pretending sin all one's life is OK , Jesus says explicitly that he will take no sinners at his return , [but many are saved in the next life - Rev 7:9-10]

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

James 5:1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten.
3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.



the New Covenant of grace, according to Paul.
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah:
Paul says the new covenant is with the two nations into which Israel was long ago divided ... no mention of anyone else under grace!
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Paul says the new covenant of grace is for the Hebrews whose 'fathers' broke the old covenant , proving that grace is for descendants of the two nations descended from Jacob whose ancestors broke the old covenant, NOT with some 'spiritual Israel' composed of gentiles unconnected with Israel.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
God takes this remnant descended from Jacob [Isarel] to be His people and says He will be their God ... why do almost all modern Christians not believe Him?
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
God says that those under grace will NOT TEACH one another because He will put His laws in their minds and hearts Himself!

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Originally Posted by Super Kal View 
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Romans 9:27 speaks of a "remnant" of Israel, and with theology based within Eschatology, this remnant will still have to perform blood sacrifices to God, in which God will still be pleased...

now someone PLEASE explain to me how this is at all possible, since the Death of Christ on the cross was enough for everyone, and it is through grace and faith, not works righteousness, that we are saved...

who exactly is this remnant?
the new covenant of grace is given by Paul in Heb 8:8-12 detailed here:-
http://www.christianforums.com/t7364664/

It is identical to the version given long before Jesus came by Jeremiah 31:31-34 , underlining that grace is for the remnant children of Israel named by Jesus , tribe by tribe, descended from the named sons of Jacob [Rev 7:3-8]

These FEW [literally just tens of thousands - Jude 1:14] are thus the few that find the straight narrow way in this life prior to Jesus return to take those who are saints by then [or by death, if sooner] [Matt 7:14]

What then of the MANY who go by the broad way through destruction in death?

We know that countless many are saved according to Jesus [Rev 7:9-10] , so the MANY are certainly not all lost, as much modern divided Christianity claims!

we know from Jesus that the many who go by the broad way are all resurrected from hell and judged by works :-

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

and we know when that is, AFTER the Millennium :-

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

So why are the FEW saved by grace of the new covenant,
http://www.christianforums.com/t7364664/

but the countless MANY saved after [Rev 7:9-10] who went through destruction in death and resurrection from hell clearly are saved by beiing freed from sin by death - as sin's sole wages is death :-

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Freed from past sin then, countless many who go by the broad way in this life are saved by works after the Millennium [in the righteous new earth kingdom of God]:-

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness...

The FEW are translated first ,at Jesus' return, because God requires them to be the kings and priests in His kingdom, to serve the countless many [over 12 billion gentiles] later , as promised long ago to Moses :-

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Israel were never a holy nation and kingdom of priests under the old covenant , but as Paul and God say in the hew covenant, their children [remnant of their descendants] are forgiven all sins under the old covenant.

Thus Jesus is the prophesied king [Messiah, Christ] who will re-unite the two Houses of divided Israel into a holy nation of priests in God's kingdom, by means of which countless many gentiles will be redeemed by the ministry and rule of the descendants of Jacob [Israel]


God says that He has completely forgiven Israel the sins of their forefathers under the old covenant , directly contradicting most modern Christianity's teachings.

I don't think one can see it too well as a sinner ,that is where the churches go wrong employing sinners as if they could be priests of God before becoming saints ... unless in discussion the other person wants to hear what's behind the crude words one can offer, else they don't register the intended meaning... I tried and failed to get through , just as God told me that I would fail ... it helps a lot in understanding to fail and prove God is right , for me anyway, because if I could write it down and people understand it then God's plan wouldn't work ... my faith in people's ability to understand words was misplaced , understanding ain't in the words, it's in the heart of love...

which is all many keep telling me of course

If God didn't show me how empty is what most people call love, then perhaps I could get on with it and just fall over for God to pick me up at the end , like most folks I guess... but He did show me it is wrong, and why it is wrong ... and nothing hurts quite as badly as having one's attempts at love rejected by God ... I understand how Cain felt, but do not think his solution [killing 'Jesus' in his brother] is the right one ...

If I were a saint then I could hit the road and say all the words and get stoned to death or sommit, and it would be all over , resurrected at Jesus return and on back to God, just a few duties afterward as a priest in the kingdom... I could live with that ...

As a sinner who is given to know that my way of life is crap, there is no place to rest, no way forward except death if God will not baptise one to know all truth... but He is sly enough to know that we do not know if He will baptise us in this life or not... it's a pretty [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] job being a sinner for God... Jesus will surely spew one out , God will not listen yet, the world wants you to swallow its 'easy' way of living death....

Matthew 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

If I were a son of God then I could go and get slain for telling the truth, but there can be no faking it [except if one can fool onese;f for a while ... one cannot fool God ] and who wants to get slain for telling half-truths, and then get rejected by God too?

And I ain't really complaining either , I have faith in Him, in love itself , and it brings me complete peace about myself and the world tearing itself apart, it's just that I am bemused in my blindness , can only get on with the things He moves me to do , but without understanding, without even knowing if it is love or not because I do not see it all, only in part..

Most of all I do not even want to be here, because God ain't here quite deliberately ... there ain't no satisfaction here [Rolling Stones' line !] cos' every 'pleasure' is just transient and causes addiction to the world, even the 'do-gooding' of this world is just a sidestep from facing the truth about one's own sin...

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

And it comes down to just one thing , that God simply will not baptise all men now ... it just wouldn't work if He did...

The rest is all carried by the bizarre ability of us to live in denial , to shut out our hearts of love , and not content with that to live in denial that what we call 'love' is any good at all to anyone instead of baptism of the spirit , love from God of giving His truth...

And people say,a s you do, that it's a progressive thing, and I agree ... but simply look at how far almost all people got in a whole lifetime ...

The fact is that if one is not a saint by the time Jesus returns [or one's own death if it is sooner] then one is to be recycled through death and the second resurrection, not by grace ...

Now for a billion and more people , they can live in denial of this statement by Jesus :-

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Amazingly really, they believe sinners who dress up in robes and silly hats and disregard Jesus, yet they say they believe Jesus and the scripture ... it just ain't for me, I can't live with these deceptions ...

I think it seems easier if one believes what one wants to believe, but I just can't do it ...it is crap and one trul;t knows it is crap, one can only live with it as a living death by denial...

Why then does God give me a little truth, enough for most people to reject me, but not enough to make me a saint?... I don't fit here with almost everyone around me telling me how good is their ways when they know inside it is not good at all... I just don't know what to say to them, and they do not understand when I try ...

I used to think I must be 'lukewarm', but if I found the truth I would not be lukewarm at all, I am simply stalled by not having all truth because I cannot bear all truth, I cannot bear to hear what i need to hear and to be, because of my closing my own heart off in denial through sin...

It boils down to the same thing, one cannot get out of the addiction to sin by oneself , it comes only by spirit baptism ... even death is only an answer because one is baptised of the spirit after death... so even suicide is no solution since it just forecloses on the remote possibility of spirit baptism in this life ...

The self does not yield easily to accepting that we are but pawns ... the self of Satan is the strongest of all selves in this ... how easily the idea of 'freedom of the self', 'free-will' , spread like a plague across Europe from Greece and from Britain to the Americas and Australia and even now it continues into the recesses of the world and today into the East, even into China...

Satan's grip on us through the self tightens , and people are willing to serve him in the name of progress that will shorten their miserable lives... and in many ways I 'envy' them because I can neither escape their fate nor bear the way they live in denial and ignorance of God, of love...

But it is only my pain that causes this mock envy , I do not want at all to be like them, and they only save up all their pain to have it all at once, enough to kill anyone when god shows His face.... so I wonder how will I cope when God shows His face, He nearly killed me last time, but that is it, i survived because He wanted it, and more than that I survived looking on God... few have done that , albeit that i turned away as fast as possible and cannot even recall most of what I saw...it is just too terrible, not what God is, but what we are become in the world... and it reflects how stupid we are to imagine we can love by doing Satan's little games of pretending to be good 'in part' ... when he has us completely , because of sin he is our lord, we just are in denial of it, hate to admit it ...

Satan does not need that many thoroughly evil men to run the world, any more than God needs but a few saints to redeem the whole creation ...all those in between serve Satan very well, whilst thinking they are serving God or even Jesus ... and the irony is that they do serve God, just not in the way they think that they do, as does Satan...

So how could I hope to know ? Well there is always hope , even of a one-in-a-million shot , because it is not by chance ... and hope is actually sure because one KNOWS love within one's heart even in denial of it... God will not be silenced completely [else we should be dead]
Indeed. How can religion follow Jesus when it adds multiple commandments that He never gave to his disciples?
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

In Rev 13:3-4 Jesus describes the extent of this falling away ['apostasy'] of religion, indeed of the whole world following Satan as this false saviour of the then [now?] much-troubled world, the 'antichristos', one in place of Christ.

Thus religion cannot follow Jesus , it is incapable of doing so ... Jesus describes those he takes at his return,at the death of the 'antichrist' in Rev 7:3-8 , there are but 144,000 [confirmed as literal by Enoch - see Jude 1:14 , there are only tens of thousands of saints to bridge the gap between Jesus' two comings ... that amounts to about a coupe of thousand who can follow Jesus alive at any one time [and they scattered worldwide by the task Jesus set them of finding the lost House of Israel , who ceased to be a people and were scattered long before the Jews [House of Judah]... this shows that any group larger than say 2000 and not composed wholly of saints knowing all truth of God [John 16:13] simply cannot be following Jesus and will worship the antichrist , according to Jesus' witness in scripture... that rules out almost all modern religion even before one starts going through doctrine in detail [which eliminates the rest of religion of sinners led by sinners rather quickly too - ]

So you are right, religion cannot follow Jesus, and basically he said so ... because they cannot stop sinning [and most know it] ... religion has an essential role following the antichrist, but it is only the saints which can follow Jesus , those who stop sinning [2 Timothy 2:19] , who stop disobeying Jesus' command to love [else he would not be their Lord ... whatever sinners say , sin is not love and it is disobedience to Jesus , so even if a sinner cries out 'Jesus is my Lord' ,his sin shows that Jesus is not his Lord]
Pray tell us where Jesus specifically commanded his disciples to observe the Sabbath.
Jesus summarised the commandments of God to the saints as :-

Matt 22:37 ...Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Sinners have no idea how to do the first [because God must be worshiped in spirit and they do not have spirit baptism] and fare not too well at the second ... since Jesus knew this ,he only instructed those who would be saints , no point in instructing hose who would remain sinners until death since he knew they could never keep in this life his commands to the FEW saints of this world. [significantly he did say countess many would keep them in the next life though, despite dying sinners in this life - Rev 7:9-10 , the 'broad' way to Jesus for the many , not just the few of Matt 7:14!]

Thus we find that all those that Jesus commanded in this life are of the tribes of Israel [Rev 7:3-8] ,sealed by the holy spirit to know all truth [John 16:13] to be ABLE to defeat all Satan's wiles and so stop sinning .

as you likely know, all the other commandments of the old covenant are repeated in the NT , so the question reduces to - Why should those whose 'fathers' broke the old covenant [Heb 8:8-9] , the only ones given grace in the new covenant [Heb 8:8-13, Jer 31:31-34] keep the sabbath , when they have unconditonal forgiveness anyway ?

The answer is that God set up a sign between Israel and Himself, a perpetual covenant in keeping His sabbaths [because holy sabbaths are actually memorial days celebrating the past and future events of God's plan... few in modern religion understand that, but the saints do, and Satan thinks it important enough that all holy days have been substituted out of Christianity,not one Hebrew holy day of scripture is celebrated in most of Christainity .. the plan is lost to christian sinners , they keep pagan days labeled 'christian' instead of the holy days set by God to show His plan for the future of mankind.

The OT records that holy days are memorials for ever , they are not alterable , they did not disappear just because Israel broke its old covenant [partly to keep them]

In particular the weekly sabbath is a sign between Israel and God for ever that shows they are His people and He is their God :-

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
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Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

Thus Jesus [as a Jew] and his disciples [mostly Jews at first] kept sabbath to please God and show that they are the people of God and He their God even though they were no longer under sentence of being stoned to death for not keeping sabbath [as in the old covenant], they had farmore to lose than life by not keeping sabbath.

Isaiah makes the point for keeping sabbaths into even our future

Isaiah 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Isaiah here continues describing events in the times after the House of Israel and the House of Judah are re-united under the Messiah [the Christ] ... things in our future , so clearly keeping sabbaths [in fact all memorial sabbaths, not just weekly sabbath] is important now and into the new earth, just as one would expect of reminders to God's plan... there would be no sense in them being lost ... there are other reasons why they are lost to most of christianity.
If you choose to revert to the Old Testament commandments as your proof, please tell us why you utterly fail to keep the Sabbath according to the detailed commandment there.
The old covenant demanded the death penalty for sabbath-breaking under the old covenant , the penalty under the new covenant is to be rejected by Jesus at his return [far worse than death for a saint] :-
Jesus talking of his return:
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

again , the very foundation of salvation in the name of Christ is to give up all sin [through baptism of the spirit ... it is a gift from God, not of our own selves choosing, but God's choice of the few [Matt 7:14]from the beginning, but the many are saved too just later , once the kingdom is set up and ready for the few to rule and minister to uncountable billions [ Rev 7:9-10]

The few are 'chosen' only because God required to show His power of prophecy , there had to be a name , He chose Israel , named them with His name as His people , they rebelled , so He takes them as His people in the new covenant, those descended from the ones who broke His old covenant , because of Him, not them :-

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers

This little word 'their' gives the lie to almost all christian religion , it proves that the new covenant of grace is only with those whose ancestors broke the old covenant , only with [genetic] Israel, as indeed Jesus confirms in Rev 7:3-8 , naming the saints of this earth by tribe of Israel.

It is a very significant error, deceiving over a billion people in religion about what Jesus came to do and what the gospel is about...

christians do not want to do away with their rest day, what they want todo is pretend that it is holy , but God set His holy day for rest on sabbath , not even a Roman-type day at all [but starting at evening in Jerusalem, not local midnight like Roman days most keep today]

The argument really is for christians between keeping God's word or keeping some other pagan day and not working the six days God set for work... thus christians already do not seek to please God by keeping sabbaths, the only way they could show they love God in obedience to Jesus command if they were saints ... it is clear then that gdo has a different salvation for the many christians who goby the broad way of sinners , it is still a salvation [Rev 7:9-10] but not by the new covenant, but by being freed from sin by death :

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

It matters not a lot that christian sinners don' t keep sabbath since they are bound to die anyway , what will matter to them is when Jesus returns and they are not taken first because they are still sinners , then they will gnash their teeth at God, but because they have been deceived by listening to sinners, not scripture ... they will still be saved alongside many other sinners , more than the few who take the narrow strait way are saved

The few are first only because the kings and priests of the kingdom need to be there at the start , ready to rule and minister to billions of resurrected sinners freed from sin by death who live righteously under Jesus in the new earth before being judged by their works there... everyone is delivered up from hell free from sin with the opportunity to be saved by works in the righteous new earth at judgment day :

Revelation 20:13 ... hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

sabbaths are memorials right to the end of God's plan , the weekly sabbath symbolising final rest in the third heaven [paradise, immortality of the tree of life, the spirit] ... there can be no ceasing of God's memorials until it is all over, they would cease to be memorials if they disappeared before fulfillment... God put them there as signs, only sinners do not need them until the next life [when scripture shows that all will keep sabbaths]

It is totally mistaken to think that God's word can be ignored in the OT, God's word is ONE truth, OT and NT , else it would not be of God ... if one does not believe that then there is nothing to be said about the future , about salvation, redemption to spirit ... __________________
When did Jesus' die and when did he rise, according to the witnesses at the time? :-

Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

This shows that the only consistent time for Jesus' death corresponds with what most now call Wednesday afternoon ... but Passover is a Hebrew day starting at around sunset Jerusalem , it does not correspond to any day we keep today, there simply cannot be any such thing as 'holy Wednesday', 'holy Thursday', 'Good Friday , Easter Sunday' [because that would start and end at local time midnight, not even absolute time , and those days are (bizarrely) somewhere on the earth for 48 hours eah, unlike the Hebrew days set by God from the beginning]

Also Jesus was the one who kept the true Passover ,because it pleases God to keep His sabbaths and as Jesus said, it behoves a man to keep the Law of God [Jesus is a Jew and lived under the old covenant until his death ...which brought in the new covenant as a better option by far for Israel's two Houses, two divided nations [Heb 8:8-13] - note that the new covenant is only with those whose fathers broke the old covenant, not with some 'spiritual Israel' as some sinners teach today, contradicting both Paul and Jeremiah [31:31-34] ,and thus God, about the new covenant.

It is the Jews then which were keeping the wrong day , one can prove this because the Hebrew day after the evening Passover meal is an annual holy sabbath called the Day of the Feast of unleavened bread ... we know that the women rested this sabbath , bought herbs and spices and prepared them the next day, then rested the weekly sabbath

Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Thus there was a non-sabbath day between the two sabbaths, which day ironically was kept falsely as a sabbath by the Jewish hierarchy [but not by the followers of Jesus]

the women thus bought herbs and spices on an 'official sabbath' of the Jewish hierarchy

It also shows that Jesus rose close to sunset toward the end of the weekly sabbath, even though he was not discovered missing from the tomb until the morning after [close to dawn]

Thus Jesus indeed rose on the Lord's day , but it was Hebrew sabbath , and could not possibly be pagan Sunday...

all-in-all, integrating the scriptures to take in the sign of Jonah and the witness of those who buried him rather demolishes the common religious traditions fairly easily... one has to ask why they exist and deceive so many when the scripture is there for everyone to read... Jesus and the saints and prophets explain that reason too... few search out the answers to that though either...
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